DVD-Rip -> Terminator 3 - jak to możliwe???

stanson [ 3 ]

SULIK--> zwracam honor. Miales racje.

Ale czy ktos moze mi wytlumaczyc, jak to jest mozliwe?

FAJEK [ CD Projekt ]

stanson --> DVD-Rip oznacza źródło kompresji a nie jakosc. owszem, zazwyczaj sa to najlepsze wersje, ale w twoim przypadku nie wydaje mi sie aby przy takich romoarach byla to jakosc faktycznie taka jak powinna byc. Poza tym DVD-Rip niekoniecznie musi pochodzic z DVD ktory znajdziesz w sklepie. moze to byc DVD promocyjny, np. dla wypozyczalni, tyle ze w takim wypadku zazwyczaj daje sie oznaczenie DVD-Screener. Tak czy siak, najwazniejszy jest efekt koncowy, a nie wydaje mi sie zeby 400MB film mial dobra jakosc i dzwiek AC3.

SULIK [ olewam zasady ]

stanson - latwa sprawa:
1 - albo jest to dvd screener - tyle ze pozbawiony jakims sposobem "dodatkow" do screenera (napisy + black&white screens)
2 - lub po prostu ktos z fuirmy ukradl DVD ktore zostalo nagrana wraz z nagraniem filmu i go zripowial
3 - wersja pochodzi z kina - tyle ze z kina w ktorym zamiast szpuli uzywa sie plytek DVD

FAJEK [ CD Projekt ]

SULIK ---> w kinach nie uzywa sie DVD tylko LaserDisc

SULIK [ olewam zasady ]

Fajek - nawet na pewno nie ma dobrej jakosci dziwkeku i obrazu jezel jest w formacie "ram" (Real media)
tymbardziej zastanawia mnie jedna sprawa - po co ktos wypuszcza to w tak "ekstremalnym" formacie ? - moze to sama wytwornia - bo raczej ogladanie czego kolwiek w formiacie streamu real media nie moze nalezec do przyjemnych

14.09.2003

17:44

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Cainoor [ Mów mi wuju ]

To ja Wam powiem, że mam Piratów z Karaibów na 3 CD (2.1 GB), których jakość jest bardzo słaba (hehe, ktoś chyba w kinie nagrywał;).

Size doesn't matter... :D

SULIK [ olewam zasady ]

Fajek - LaserDisc ? nie slyszalem o tym... slyszalem (dawno temu) ze maja wprowadzic dvd do kin jako nosniki

ale taki laser disk chyba da sie zripowac ?

SULIK [ olewam zasady ]

Cainoor - bo amsz prawdopodobnie kinowke w SVCD (super Video CD), ktora to ma dobra jakosc (jak jest robione z dobrego nosnika), ale zajmuje niesty duzo plyt

SVCD zrobione z DVD - od jakosci DVD odbiega tylko odrobine

ale teraz lubia robic SVCD z kina, a co za tym idzie o kiepskiej jakosci i ogromnej wielkosci plikow, ale sa ludzie ktorzy to repakuja na 1CD w for,macie DivX, ale repaki doczekuja sie tylko dobre jakosci

FAJEK [ CD Projekt ]

Cainoor ---- o ile film o standardowej dlugosci i malej obejtości nie moze byc w dobrej jakosci o tyle duza ilosc danych nie gwarantuje dobrej jakosci. Przyklad to kiepsko zrobione VCD - duzo zajmuje i zle wyglada.

ponizej macie opis formatow i zasady oznaczania poszczegolnych releasow.





Sources

CAM -
A cam is a theater rip usually done with a digital video camera. A mini tripod is sometimes used, but a lot of the time this wont be possible, so the camera make shake. Also seating placement isn't always idle, and it might be filmed from an angle. If cropped properly, this is hard to tell unless there's text on the screen, but a lot of times these are left with triangular borders on the top and bottom of the screen. Sound is taken from the onboard microphone of the camera, and especially in comedies, laughter can often be heard during the film. Due to these factors picture and sound quality are usually quite poor, but sometimes we're lucky, and the theater will be fairly empty and a fairly clear signal will be heard.



TELESYNC (TS) -
A telesync is the same spec as a CAM except it uses an external audio source (most likely an audio jack in the chair for hard of hearing people). A direct audio source does not ensure a good quality audio source, as a lot of background noise can interfere. A lot of the times a telesync is filmed in an empty cinema or from the projection booth with a professional camera, giving a better picture quality. Quality ranges drastically, check the sample before downloading the full release. A high percentage of Telesyncs are CAMs that have been mislabeled.



TELECINE (TC) -
A telecine machine copies the film digitally from the reels. Sound and picture should be very good, but due to the equipment involved and cost telecines are fairly uncommon. Generally the film will be in correct aspect ratio, although 4:3 telecines have existed. A great example is the JURASSIC PARK 3 TC done last year. TC should not be confused with TimeCode , which is a visible counter on screen throughout the film.



SCREENER (SCR) -
A pre VHS tape, sent to rental stores, and various other places for promotional use. A screener is supplied on a VHS tape, and is usually in a 4:3 (full screen) a/r, although letterboxed screeners are sometimes found. The main draw back is a "ticker" (a message that scrolls past at the bottom of the screen, with the copyright and anti-copy telephone number). Also, if the tape contains any serial numbers, or any other markings that could lead to the source of the tape, these will have to be blocked, usually with a black mark over the section. This is sometimes only for a few seconds, but unfortunately on some copies this will last for the entire film, and some can be quite big. Depending on the equipment used, screener quality can range from excellent if done from a MASTER copy, to very poor if done on an old VHS recorder thru poor capture equipment on a copied tape. Most screeners are transferred to VCD, but a few attempts at SVCD have occurred, some looking better than others.



DVD-SCREENER (DVDscr) -
Same premise as a screener, but transferred off a DVD. Usually letterbox , but without the extras that a DVD retail would contain. The ticker is not usually in the black bars, and will disrupt the viewing. If the ripper has any skill, a DVDscr should be very good. Usually transferred to SVCD or DivX/XviD.



DVDRip -
A copy of the final released DVD. If possible this is released PRE retail (for example, Star Wars episode 2) again, should be excellent quality. DVDrips are released in SVCD and DivX/XviD.



VHSRip -
Transferred off a retail VHS, mainly skating/sports videos and XXX releases.



TVRip -
TV episode that is either from Network (capped using digital cable/satellite boxes are preferable) or PRE-AIR from satellite feeds sending the program around to networks a few days earlier (do not contain "dogs" but sometimes have flickers etc) Some programs such as WWF Raw Is War contain extra parts, and the "dark matches" and camera/commentary tests are included on the rips. PDTV is capped from a digital TV PCI card, generally giving the best results, and groups tend to release in SVCD for these. VCD/SVCD/DivX/XviD rips are all supported by the TV scene.



WORKPRINT (WP) -
A workprint is a copy of the film that has not been finished. It can be missing scenes, music, and quality can range from excellent to very poor. Some WPs are very different from the final print (Men In Black is missing all the aliens, and has actors in their places) and others can contain extra scenes (Jay and Silent Bob) . WPs can be nice additions to the collection once a good quality final has been obtained.



DivX Re-Enc -
A DivX re-enc is a film that has been taken from its original VCD source, and re-encoded into a small DivX file. Most commonly found on file sharers, these are usually labeled something like Film.Name.Group(1of2) etc. Common groups are SMR and TND. These aren't really worth downloading, unless you're that unsure about a film u only want a 200mb copy of it. Generally avoid.



Watermarks -
A lot of films come from Asian Silvers/PDVD (see below) and these are tagged by the people responsible. Usually with a letter/initials or a little logo, generally in one of the corners. Most famous are the "Z" "A" and "Globe" watermarks.



Asian Silvers / PDVD -
These are films put out by eastern bootleggers, and these are usually bought by some groups to put out as their own. Silvers are very cheap and easily available in a lot of countries, and its easy to put out a release, which is why there are so many in the scene at the moment, mainly from smaller groups who don't last more than a few releases. PDVDs are the same thing pressed onto a DVD. They have removable subtitles, and the quality is usually better than the silvers. These are ripped like a normal DVD, but usually released as VCD.








Formats

VCD -
VCD is an mpeg1 based format, with a constant bitrate of 1150kbit at a resolution of 352x240 (NTCS). VCDs are generally used for lower quality transfers (CAM/TS/TC/Screener(VHS)/TVrip(analogue) in order to make smaller file sizes, and fit as much on a single disc as possible. Both VCDs and SVCDs are timed in minutes, rather than MB, so when looking at an mpeg, it may appear larger than the disc capacity, and in reality u can fit 74min on a CDR74.



SVCD -
SVCD is an mpeg2 based (same as DVD) which allows variable bit-rates of up to 2500kbits at a resolution of 480x480 (NTSC) which is then decompressed into a 4:3 aspect ratio when played back. Due to the variable bit-rate, the length you can fit on a single CDR is not fixed, but generally between 35-60 Mins are the most common. To get a better SVCD encode using variable bit-rates, it is important to use multiple "passes". this takes a lot longer, but the results are far clearer.



XVCD/XSVCD -
These are basically VCD/SVCD that don't obey the "rules". They are both capable of much higher resolutions and bit-rates, but it all depends on the player to whether the disc can be played. X(S)VCD are total non-standards, and are usually for home-ripping by people who don't intend to release them.



DivX / XviD -
DivX is a format designed for multimedia platforms. It uses two codecs, one low motion, one high motion. most older films were encoded in low motion only, and they have problems with high motion too. A method known as SBC (Smart Bit-rate Control) was developed which switches codecs at the encoding stage, making a much better print. The format is Ana orphic and the bit-rate/resolution are interchangeable. Due to the higher processing power required, and the different codecs for playback, its unlikely we'll see a DVD player capable of play DivX for quite a while, if at all. There have been players in development which are supposedly capable, but nothing has ever arisen. The majority of PROPER DivX rips (not Re-Encs) are taken from DVDs, and generally up to 2hours in good quality is possible per disc. Various codecs exist, most popular being the original Divx3.11a and the new XviD codecs.



CVD -
CVD is a combination of VCD and SVCD formats, and is generally supported by a majority of DVD players. It supports MPEG2 bit-rates of SVCD, but uses a resolution of 352x480(ntsc) as the horizontal resolution is generally less important. Currently no groups release in CVD.



DVD-R -
Is the recordable DVD solution that seems to be the most popular (out of DVD-RAM, DVD-R and DVD+R). it holds 4.7gb of data per side, and double sided discs are available, so discs can hold nearly 10gb in some circumstances. SVCD mpeg2 images must be converted before they can be burnt to DVD-R and played successfully. DVD>DVDR copies are possible, but sometimes extras/languages have to be removed to stick within the available 4.7gb.



MiniDVD -
MiniDVD/cDVD is the same format as DVD but on a standard CDR/CDRW. Because of the high resolution/bit-rates, its only possible to fit about 18-21 mins of footage per disc, and the format is only compatible with a few players.

14.09.2003

17:53

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MaLLy(R) [ Ghoul's Shadow ]

to ktoś używa laser disców ???
precież to poprzednidniczki DVD, a śrewdnice to to ma wielości koła samochodowego... (a nawet wiecej...)

14.09.2003

17:53

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Cainoor [ Mów mi wuju ]

FAJEK ---> Wielkie dzięki. Nareszcie będę wiedział co jest co.

14.09.2003

17:55

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SULIK [ olewam zasady ]

FAjek - dobrzez wiedziec :) czym sie co rozni :]
dzieki, przyda mi sie - chocby na mature z infy - nigdy nie wiadomoz czego moga zapytac :]

QbaX [ Baron Vladimir Harkonnen ]

oficjalnie t3 nie istnieje nawet w jakosci svcd....

Terminator 3: Rise of The Machines (2003) *TC* *SVCD*
Terminator 3 Rise Of The Machines (2003) *SVCD TS*

oba zostaly sklasyfikowane jako vcd a nie svcd (dlaczego nie mam pojecia)

nie mam ochoty sie spierac, szczegolnie ze nie moge zobaczyc tego ripa (jak mozesz podaj nazwy plikow)
pozatym 2x 200 mb to koszmarnie malo (jeszcze zeby dzwiek byl dobry)

skoro nie ma svcd napewno nie ma dvd ripa czy scr..... a jesli cos by sie pojawilo to czemu nie ma tego na scenie?

ale wszystko jest mozliwe.... :) (pamietaj o nazwach plikow)

sepuku [ Junior ]

Od razu widac ze FAJEK to najporzadniejszy gosc z calego gola! Inni tam gadaja ze piractwo jest zle, ze kopiowanie bez zezwolenia ect. A FAJEK widac ze w tym siedzi i sie zna i zamiast gadac rozne rzeczy to pomaga.

Jam__Lasica [ Generaďż˝ ]

sepuku ---> Celna ironia. Choc z drugiej strony wyjaśnił tylko formaty, ale nigdzie nie przyznał się, że korzysta z piratów, w przeciwieństwie do wielu innych rorumowiczów. Ale z jeszcze innej strony...:)

stanson [ 3 ]

tak to wyglada na suprnova:

stanson [ 3 ]

A tak po sciagnieciu:

Naprawde, jest super jakosc i swietny dzwiek. Zupelnie jak DVD-Rip.

yediii [ also known as duszek ]

stanson ---> pokarz jakiegos screena bo chce zobaczyc jaka jakosc,sam zamierzam sciagac

yediii [ also known as duszek ]

na torrencie znalazlem tez takie pliki :
23-07 Terminator 3 (DVDRip DivX Rus) by Namo 610 Mb 6 37 DVD-rip
06-08 Terminator 3 DVD-RIP-XVID German 725 Mb 3 50 DVD-rip DouglasAdams -
18-08 Terminator 3 MVCD DEUTSCH 648 Mb 5 57 DVD-rip

Pik [ No Bass No Fun ]

Pewnie jest zrobiony z wersji ktora dostaja krytycy filmowi - od nich przewaznie idzie kazdy przeciek.

yediii [ also known as duszek ]

stanson ---> czy ta twoja wersja T3 ma chinskie napisy ?

stanson [ 3 ]

yediii --> nie dam screena, bo za cholere nie wiem, jak. Uzywam hypersnapa, ale nie moge sobie z tym poradzic. Co do drugiego pytania, to tak, sa chinskie napisy (albo japonskie, cholera wie :-), ale to nie przeszkadza, tym bardziej, ze jest to naprawde swietna wersja (jak dla mnie to jest DVD-Rip).

Coy2K [ Veteran ]

nie chciałbym niszczyć waszych wyobrażeń ale jedynymi ładnymi kopiami są Telesync
oto jedna z nich ( wersja 2CD )

Coy2K [ Veteran ]

wersja Replici ...uważana za najładniejszą obecnie dostępną ( również 2CD )

Coy2K [ Veteran ]

i wersja 1cd ..byćmoże to jest ta wersja którą posiada stanson....ale nie ma jeszcze DVD-ripa i nie ma DVD screenera.
Jakby był to z pewnością byłoby głośno tak jak z wersją Pronstars Matrixa Reloaded

14.09.2003

19:47

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pisz [ nihilista ]

Coy2K--> rzeczywiście ładna z niej kopia...:>

BoyLer [ tribunus plebis ]

Coy2K---> Nie zgodze sie z Tobą, jest wersja jeden cd o super jakości.

BoyLer [ tribunus plebis ]

Coy2K---> Ta wersja replici zajmuje jeden CD. Taka była dostepna na torrencie.

yediii [ also known as duszek ]

stanson ---> ja screeny robie tak:
1.uruchamiam film i daje full screen
2.daje pauze
3.screen shoot
4.i do painta
to dziala bo przed chcwila sprawdzalem

a oto dowod - screen z American Wedding :)

yediii [ also known as duszek ]

BoyLer -----> a ile ta wersja 1CD dokladnie zajmuje ?
czy jest to moze Terminator 3 (Replica) DivX TC DaDuck 684MB ?

BoyLer [ tribunus plebis ]

Yediii---> Nie mam tego, ale kumpel ma, powinien być zaraz na gadu to sie dowiem.

14.09.2003

20:10

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BoyLer [ tribunus plebis ]

yediii---> Ok mam. Wiec plik sie nazywa "Terminator.3.(Replica)", a zajmuje: 676 MB (bajtów: 709 679 104). I kumpel twierdzi że to jest właśnie to co podałeś, mimo ze za bardzo rozmiar nie pasuje, ale pewnie tam sie machli.

yediii [ also known as duszek ]

BoyLer -----> WIELKIE DZIEKI ! juz wiem co bede teraz sciagal :)

FAJEK [ CD Projekt ]

sepuku, Jam__Lasica ----> to, ze znam sie na broni palnej, potrafie rozpoznac rodzaj narkotykow i efekty ich dzialania, czy tez wiem jakie sa rodzaje damskiej bielizny i z czego sa wykonane, nie oznacza, że ze wspomnianych rzeczy korzystam.

mysle, ze im wiecej sie wie, tym lepiej i nalezy sie ta wiedza dzielic jesli nadazy sie taka okazja....

14.09.2003

20:35

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Coy2K [ Veteran ]

BoyLer >>> Jeśli post z 19:47 ( wraz z załączonym screenem ) ma świadczyć o tym że jest to super jakość to się zgodze pod warunkiem że przyjmiemy iż jest to aktualnie dostępna super jakosć...ale powtarzam po raz n-ty...
NIE MA JESZCZE RELEASU DVD TERMINATORA 3 ANI TEŻ DVD SCREENERA TEGOŻ FILMU, co za tym idzie NIE MA JESZCZE JAKOŚCI DVD, a to co widzicie na screenach to są po prostu telesynci stworzone przez szanowane grupy, dlatego jakość jest naprawdę łądna ( jak na Telesync )

14.09.2003

20:51

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BoyLer [ tribunus plebis ]

Coy2K---> Owszem nie jest to dvd rip, ale jakośc jest bardzo dobra (widzialem w akcji). Aha nie jest to telesync, tylko telecine :)

14.09.2003

21:03

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Coy2K [ Veteran ]

BoyLer >>> racja...telesync nie wyglądałby tak dobrze :-)

14.09.2003

21:11

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BoyLer [ tribunus plebis ]

To mnie zaintrygowało (z suprnova)

Terminator 3 (DVDRip DivX Rus) by Namo
Terminator 3 DVD-RIP-XVID German

Szkoda że oba w dzaile Non-English...

14.09.2003

21:38

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Chupacabra [ Senator ]

ja mam wersje terminatora 3 :
Terminator 3 CD1 DivX-TS.avi
Terminator 3 CD2 DivX-TS.avi
oba pliki zajmuja razem 650 mega, a film o dziwo calkiem znosnej jakosci